tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post5891815118894190090..comments2024-01-31T03:00:37.150-05:00Comments on View-from-Wilmington: Commentary on the Knox and Sollecito case from Dr. Alexander KekuleChris Halkideshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-52750925350629795082010-02-02T13:38:53.531-05:002010-02-02T13:38:53.531-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-15007747904725981952010-01-31T08:58:53.228-05:002010-01-31T08:58:53.228-05:00Chris,
Regarding your comment on the 'staging&...Chris,<br />Regarding your comment on the 'staging' of the break in, here is what Romanelli had to say about it at trial:<br><br /><b>She said that, knowing by then that the window of her bedroom had been smashed, her first instinct on returning to the flat had been to go to her room. What she saw was "a disaster". Her clothes were on the floor and her cupboard was open. But none of her jewellery was missing, nor her designer sunglasses and handbags. Her laptop was among the clothes. She said there was glass on top of the pile of clothes: "I remember that in lifting the computer I realised that I was picking up bits of glass because there were bits of glass on top and it was all covered with glass.</b> <br><br />Her testimony seems credible to me, I just don't see her lying about this. Point being, it appears her room was ransacked and then the window was busted. <br><br /><br /><i>Rose</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-81967252636718515002010-01-27T18:14:45.409-05:002010-01-27T18:14:45.409-05:00Thanks for the link, Christiana. The comments are...Thanks for the link, Christiana. The comments are perhaps more interesting than the article itself. It is also interesting that an almost civil discussion took place despite the difference of opinion on guilt or innocence. Nice to see.<br /><br /><b>Rose</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-4043221233251457192010-01-27T10:32:51.100-05:002010-01-27T10:32:51.100-05:00Clint Van Zandt wrote the following article on Nov...Clint Van Zandt wrote the following article on November 23, 2009, two weeks before the Knox/Sollecito verdict. He does a summary of the trial and elicits comments at the end, some of which Van Zandt responds to. <br /><br />Note commenter Harry Rag's 17 reasons why he/she feels Knox is guilty and the responses from others which refute those reasons.<br /><br />http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/23/3533889-amanda-knox-guilty-or-innocent <br /><br />ChristianaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-45173099782796123502010-01-24T22:51:21.865-05:002010-01-24T22:51:21.865-05:00A couple of links from the site I mentioned above:...A couple of links from the site I mentioned above:<br /><br />http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6947979.ece<br /><br />http://www.legalweek.com/legal-week/blog-post/1565742/a-question-guilt<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-9210586600103470252010-01-24T22:01:04.676-05:002010-01-24T22:01:04.676-05:00To all,
Here is a good post on the slander charge...To all,<br /><br />Here is a good post on the slander charge:<br /><br />http://knoxarchives.blogspot.com/2010/01/co-prosecutor-manuela-comodi-confirms.html<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-37210155372229704642010-01-24T16:53:15.331-05:002010-01-24T16:53:15.331-05:00Rose,
Someone will have to help me out on this on...Rose,<br /><br />Someone will have to help me out on this one by looking into it further. Right now I am close to finishing my next post, which I hope to put up this evening. However, the evidence that the burglary was staged is disputed, IIRC. Filomena was allowed back into her room to retrieve some personal items. Some have suggested that she disturbed her own room, inadvertantly messing up a crime scene and confusing the break-in issue.<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-30936948895839457652010-01-24T16:48:14.913-05:002010-01-24T16:48:14.913-05:00I think the evidence is pretty suggestive that the...I think the evidence is pretty suggestive that the burglary was staged and the positioning of the body was staged after the murder. I don't see any hard evidence of a selective cleanup. The whole issue with the mop is significant to me only because she went to such lengths to stage the positioning and the movement of the mop. I give it the importance she does in her email. <br><br /><br />I believe Occam's Razor would tell us that it is likely that the same person or persons staged both the body and the break in. The staging of the mop appears to point suspicion towards Ms. Knox as a master stager here.<br><br /><br />At the same time it appears the police may not be above a little staging game themselves, Chris mentioned the fact that they destroyed 3 computer hard drives making it impossible for the defense to counter what computer information they did (selectively) obtain.<br><br /><br />At this point I am still convinced that Knox and Sollecito are hiding something. The what and why of the hiding is a mystery to me.<br /><br /><i>Rose</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-48681307020836258982010-01-24T16:34:16.116-05:002010-01-24T16:34:16.116-05:00Observer at 11:21 PM,
Agreed about the mop. And ...Observer at 11:21 PM,<br /><br />Agreed about the mop. And I do not believe in magic cleaning fluids that remove blood but not DNA from knives. The prosecution thinks otherwise.<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-28762801543622914332010-01-24T13:18:12.342-05:002010-01-24T13:18:12.342-05:00I believe the 48 Hours piece on this case recreate...I believe the 48 Hours piece on this case recreated the running from the scene with a camera crew and show host in the apartment where the witness lived. They could not hear the running. <br /><br />observerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-67980557371441312342010-01-24T12:57:55.875-05:002010-01-24T12:57:55.875-05:00So the witness was 69 and still had good enough he...So the witness was 69 and still had good enough hearing to know if it was more than one person running from the cottage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-52995809572551977032010-01-24T08:47:20.930-05:002010-01-24T08:47:20.930-05:00From a comment on Less Wrong:
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Feh20 Decem...From a comment on Less Wrong:<br /><br />-Snip-<br /><br />Feh20 December 2009 06:53:57AM2 points [-]<br />brazil84's points 1, 2, and 3 are false in my opinion, I have insufficient knowledge about #4 (the allegedly postmortem removed bra) but my reaction is "so what?" and "how does the investigator know the bra wasn't removed post-cut rather than postmortem?"), and here is my take on #5, the mop and bucket...<br /><br />The allegation that Amanda and Rafael were found with a mop and bucket outside the crime scene apartment is reported on truejustice.org (which has been accused of bias in some of the comments here.) Truejustice.org claims to be paraphrasing a judge's statements about pretrial hearings. This alleged fact apparently did not come up in the actual trial. In the actual trial, Rafael's maid said she found a mop and bucket underneath the sink at his apartment, and said he explained that they had cleaned up some leaked water. The maid testified that there was a clear liquid in the bucket. My wild guess at the truth here is that indeed Amanda and/or Rafael had taken a mop and bucket from Amanda's apartment to Rafael's apartment to clean up a leak, and the maid saw it when she came in the morning (she cleaned around 11:00 on certain days, as I recall.) And then, possibly, and unfortunately for them, Amanda or Rafael brought the mop back to Amanda's apartment shortly before the police arrived. But your guess is as good as mine.<br /><br />-Snip-<br /><br />I suppose we are to infer the cleanup from the luminol revealed footprints that could have been made in a number of ways (and at a number of times). The prosecution should have had some real evidence of a cleanup if there was one...<br /><br />ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-77817685747419856362010-01-24T08:37:47.463-05:002010-01-24T08:37:47.463-05:00Go here for the FOA discussion of the cleanup. Ac...Go here for the FOA discussion of the cleanup. According to them, no evidence of a cleanup was presented at trial. <br /><br />http://www.friendsofamanda.org/cleanup.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-51109903189204730762010-01-24T08:35:09.530-05:002010-01-24T08:35:09.530-05:00This is from TrueJustice:
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Clean up motive...This is from TrueJustice:<br /><br />-Snip-<br /><br />Clean up motives and evidence<br />I have yet to see a careful review of the testimony and possible conclusions that may be drawn from the known facts and circumstantial evidence, including the clean up after the murder—which, to me, are very compelling. <br /><br />The neighbor has testified that she heard a very loud, long scream that night (presumably Meredith’s last), followed not long thereafter by the sounds of two to three different people running from the area (it was unusual to hear people running at that time of night). The neighbor was 69 and could not remember exactly the date she heard the screaming, but she was firm that it was the night before Meredith’s murder was discovered. <br /><br />It is not a stretch to link the screaming to Meredith, given that loud, long piercing screams are uncommon. Also, a murderer or murderers would realize that Meredith’s scream may bring the police at any moment—so running from the crime would be expected. <br /><br />The uncontradicted testimony is that there was a fair amount of effort to “clean up” the crime scene (the defense merely claims that Knox and Sollecito were not involved). It also appears that whoever came back for the “clean up” also broke a window in Filomena’s bedroom (as mentioned, one of the two other roommates living upstairs; there were also four male students living downstairs in a separate unit), in an attempt to throw the investigating police off the scent. <br /><br />Filomena testifed that she found clothes strewn around her room the next day and that she had left the room tidy. She testified that glass from the window broken in her bedroom was on top of those strewn clothes. If the window was broken by someone entering the home who was intent on rape and/or robbery, then the glass would not be on top of the clothes as those clothes would not have been under the window then (Filomena also testified that she had valuables in plain view in her bedroom and that none were taken). <br /><br />The evidence suggests that someone placed these clothes around the room and THEN broke the window to “stage a scene” (as there is no explanation for why anyone would have any motive to randomly take clothes and throw them around a room). <br /><br />-snip-<br /><br />Tellingly, the writer is not troubled by the lack of evidence from the prosecution regarding a cleanup, the writer is troubled that the allegations from the prosecution regarding a cleanup have not been adequately refuted by the defendants. <br /><br />This was the best I could find at TrueJustice on the cleanup. <br /><br />ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-61663826009932602652010-01-24T08:02:23.757-05:002010-01-24T08:02:23.757-05:00Rose,
I don't know if the mop was tested. Bu...Rose,<br /><br />I don't know if the mop was tested. But if there was a test that could have connected the mop to the murder, how could that information not be out? How peculiar it would be to argue the mop was part of a cleanup but not test it for a connection to the murder.<br /><br />ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-72966330147409070162010-01-24T05:49:48.772-05:002010-01-24T05:49:48.772-05:00I believe it was the Micheli report that brought u...I believe it was the Micheli report that brought up the evidence about Meredith's body having been moved after she was killed. <b>"He said that Meredith’s bra was found by investigators away from other possible blood contamination on the floor, near to her feet. Photographs of Meredith’s body show clear white areas where the bra prevented blood from falling onto Merediths body. These white areas corresponded to those areas where blood was found on her bra. This was particularly true in the area of the right shoulder strap which was soaked from the wound to Meredith’s neck.<br /><br />Micheli said that evidence showed that Meredith had lain on one shoulder near the wardrobe. She lay in that position long enough for the imprint of her shoulder and bra strap to remain fixed in the pool of blood after she was moved to the position in which her body was finally found. Photographs of blood on her shoulder matched the imprint by the wardrobe and her shoulder itself also showed signs that she had remained in that position for some time.<br /><br />Based on all this, Judge Micheli concluded that there could be no doubt that Meredith’s body was moved away from the wardrobe and her bra removed quite some time after her death." </b><br /><br />As far as the mop/blood test goes, I am unable to find any confirmation that it was even tested. If you have seen something about this let me know.<br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-21583007690368352062010-01-23T23:21:49.982-05:002010-01-23T23:21:49.982-05:00One of the primary reasons this case bothers me so...One of the primary reasons this case bothers me so much is that the prosecutors' theories invariably seem significantly more absurd that the defendants' explanations.<br /><br />Re: the mop. If the mop had blood on it, I would be interested in the mop story. But this is not the case. There was no blood on the mop. Further, do I believe two kids (high or not) cleaned up only their own DNA from the scene with a mop or anything else? I do not. That's absurd. <br /><br />And if I somehow believed they had used the mop to clean up the murder scene, do I believe Ms. Knox then would take the mop over to Mr. Sollecito's. Ummm, no, I do not. For what on earth purpose would she have transported the mop back and forth after supposedly using it to clean up blood? I cannot think of one. The broken pipe at least sounds reasonable. Mr. Mignini's mop theory sounds as ridiculous to me as the magic towel in Duke LAX where the suggestion was the defendants had cleaned up the DNA on Ms. Mangum and at the crime scene with a towel that magically left not a trace (except for Dave Evans DNA in the bathroom where he was a resident). I don't believe in magic towels or magic mops. <br /><br />ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-88191304111569650042010-01-23T20:51:44.781-05:002010-01-23T20:51:44.781-05:00Rudy's actions seems consistent with the lone ...Rudy's actions seems consistent with the lone wolf theory. He stops at a night club. Yes for an alibi but this does not seem to have that heightened panic that would be associated with the fear of two other people knowing you did the crime. I mean were I come from he would have killed AK and RS . As far as AK and RS , how would you feel sitting around a police station knowing that rudy could walk in or be brought in and implicate you. I would be so scared I could not handle it. And there would be lots of other examples of this heightened fear in their actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-32631193112736698252010-01-23T20:32:01.333-05:002010-01-23T20:32:01.333-05:00Anonymous,
I have been wondering about Guede myse...Anonymous,<br /><br />I have been wondering about Guede myself, these past few days. I don't know much, but this is kind of an open thread so feel free.<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-7858214046869948962010-01-23T20:25:05.130-05:002010-01-23T20:25:05.130-05:00Chris, there is something about this case that int...Chris, there is something about this case that intrigues me and maybe you can help out. Can we look at Rudy' s behavior after the crime and make deductions about what the scene was after the crime.<br />We know that rudy was there. Would his actions after the crime be the same if he was the lone wolf versus having two people know he did the crime or was a witness. Likewise could we make deductions about <br />AK and RS if they knew rudy could return,confess,kill them etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-11163104580902457732010-01-23T20:16:46.561-05:002010-01-23T20:16:46.561-05:00Anonymous,
Can you elaborate about the reason why...Anonymous,<br /><br />Can you elaborate about the reason why it is believed the body was moved several hours after her death? The temperature of Meredith's body was not taken for two days after the murder, making the time of death very difficult to estimate by this means.<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-39333721851513209482010-01-23T20:00:29.344-05:002010-01-23T20:00:29.344-05:00It may have been used to clean up blood over at Ra...It may have been used to clean up blood over at Raffael's. Take off bloody clothes and all of a sudden you have a bloody floor. I agree the theory of a selective cleanup at Meredith's place is a big stretch. Someone moved the body several hours after Meredith died based on forensic evidence that I have not seen anyone dispute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-65331135215797861112010-01-23T19:54:47.970-05:002010-01-23T19:54:47.970-05:00Yes, the mop does seem a bit odd. But on the other...Yes, the mop does seem a bit odd. But on the other hand if you just killed someone would you want to travel back and forth with a mop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-83742144642517765802010-01-23T19:46:31.582-05:002010-01-23T19:46:31.582-05:00Rose,
Yes, a little, but not very much. She had ...Rose,<br /><br />Yes, a little, but not very much. She had already been interviewed by the police at this point, who may have asked her about the mop. I also have problems with the theory that Amanda and Raffaele could produce a selective cleanup, one that erased their tracks but not Rudy's.<br /><br />ChrisChris Halkideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933976220776524122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8731849270338485723.post-17400426377604688502010-01-23T19:35:42.661-05:002010-01-23T19:35:42.661-05:00Yes I have seen it stated previously as a busted p...Yes I have seen it stated previously as a busted pipe. I used the water spill Chris because that is what she said in an email to friends and family without police coercion or knocking her about the head. Does it not make you the least bit suspicious?<br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com